Your assumption is that no matter what anyone does to you, you cannot fight back. That is a position of pure pacifism. It only works if no one has genocidal intentions directed at you. But, in the case of Israel, Hamas has stated its genocidal intentions again and again. Some people believe in pacifism, and that’s fine. I don’t want to be victimized by terror organizations. Apparently the Israelis don’t either.

- Aggie

And here lies the other stumbling point:
Regardless of the rockets, Israel has no right to kill this many Palestinians. They have the same right to take human life as Hamas. Either way, it’s wrong.

Now before you try and give me a perspective I already fully understand, think about that last paragraph. Human life is incalculably valuable.
(I know it’s going to be hard to resist the urge to say.. “but what about the rockets??!?!?”, but please refrain.) This is the objective reality and it needs to be understood and respected. Israel needs to start supporting the Palestinian people that they are responsible for, maybe even basically. Maybe even penicillin for children who have life-threatening infections would be enough to persuade the popular opinion away from favoring Hamas and towards a peaceful populace and a safe Israel. These people are hurting, bad. How many more years will they have to smuggle food through dangerous tunnels under Egypt to feel their children? How many more years will pass before the good nature of the vast majority of Palestinians be crushed and swept aside for violent extremism in light of these conditions?

It seems as thought we are at a major crossroads in the development of world history. What Israel does, the world follows. And lets just hope it decides to hold forum with Palestinian communities rather than continue to bomb them into the ground. War is NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE APPROPRIATE. No one wins. The only way that we are ever to attain peace is by understanding the reasons why it is the ideal circumstance.
The same arguments you use against Hamas , can be inverted and argued against you and against Israel. Schools have been struck, daycares, tent cities, sports centers, markets, and neighbourhoods. The only difference is the magnitude of death and destruction, and the concentration of these forces.

It is sad enough that the USA’s mass culture has embraced victimhood so pathetically, everyone blaming everyone else in defiance of the simple dictum that no matter where you go, there you are. It’s absolutely reprehensible for an entire people to be sold this with a bullet, and then the usual suspects around the world aid and coddle the true villains, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. by repeating their drivel, thus ensuring the common Palestinians never achieve peace or even a measure of security and prosperity.

All in the name of groundless hate, the Palestinian people are condemned to this nonstop chain of stewing in hopelessness, letting provocateurs attack civilians on the other side explicitly, instead of military targets, and after that opponent sits there taking it in the shorts for what seems like a suicidal eternity, responds and goes after the provocateurs who hide among the civilians of their own side in an attempt to get them killed in the process, so they can use them after their deaths as martyrs. How sick is that?

If anything, Israel’s plight proves what I have said for a long time. Peace is not the default nature of the world, but requires strong people to carve it out of the wilderness and defend it against predation from without and from within their own faults even. Palestine won’t do that. Israel has and has done so with such restraint that they’ve illustrated the risks of the enterprise of civilization from the predation. If you want peace, sometimes unreasonable people make you fight for it. It’s not something that comes without willful choice to pursue it through purposeful action.

Choose the person you love the most in all the world and go live in Sderot for a month. Then come back and tell me that Hamas has any ethical position whatsoever. They TARGET civilians. They have a charter which states that they plan to destroy Israel. Jews have been down this path before. We have an obligation to ourselves, our parents and future generations to stand up to it and fight it tooth and nail. They tried restraint; they tried truces. Go live in a town of 26,000 people that has experienced 3,000 rockets over the past 9 months or so. Then get back to me.

- Aggie

The concept of these rockets that you so obsessively and defensively hold onto is also disturbing. Get your facts straight.. Like.. holy hell.

“Then look in the mirror. You are looking into the eyes of an antisemite.”

What?! Are you kidding me? I can’t believe that as being your logic. I refuse to accept that a “bloodthirsty liberal” of this age can stand to hear themselves representing this nonsense. Think about what you just said.

Being a member of a family with many Jews gives me the subjection I need to then approach situations like these objectively.
I WAS an open critic of Hamas’ bombings and rocket attacks on Israel. So don’t ask me where I was. I was trying to find the whole story, not just western-media coercion and cover story nonsense. There is so much underlying political tactility behind all of these moves, that it is imperative that we try our hardest to find the whole truth.
Whilst doing so, bearing in my Israels position as the United States closest ally, and a country with one of the largest military-industrial complex investments.

Aggie, thanks for reminding me why I’m not a “liberal”.

Israel LEFT Gaza completely in 2005. Like Germany in the good old days, Gaza in Judenfrei. And the Palestinians chose to lob over 10,000 - 10,000, got that? missiles into Israel, randomly. You look at your own community, draw a mental box around 26,000 people, and imagine the lives of those people if they had experienced 10,000 rockets landing in homes, businesses, schools, day care facilities, gas stations, fields, back yards, their own roofs. Think about it for a couple of seconds.

Then look in the mirror. You are looking into the eyes of an antisemite.

- Aggie

Every nation has an obligation to protect its citizens. Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organizations have sent many thousands of rockets into Israel, three thousand of them during the “truce”. They simply had to respond. And the most recent figures from the human rights activists are that roughly forty non-combatants have died in Gaza so far. The 300 or so Hamas members that Israel killed are not civilians. It is unfortunate that Hamas and the other terror groups chose to place explosives and rocket launchers amongst civilians, but that is the decision they made.

Where was the shock and outrage as rockets, which targeted civilians, landed in Israel over the past few years? Where were you then? Did you find it acceptable that Israel withdrew every single Jew from Gaza, and yet the terrorism continued? The withdrawal occurred in the summer of 2005. (Aside: What would you say if Israel demanded that every single Palestinian or Muslim leave Israel? Wouldn’t that be ethnic cleansing? Yet, the Israelis were supposed to do just that for “peace”.) There have been something like 10,000 rockets lobbed into Israel since then. What would the United States do under similar circumstances? Or France? Or any nation?

- Aggie

Israel made the ‘complex decision’ to withhold food and medical aid to innocent, stranded and broken Gazans. Objectivity and real historical research are essential before analyzing a complex situation like this. I by no means support the actions of Hamas, or any terrorist organization. But these actions towards innocent civilians, not limited to the past few days, should be humiliating acts of human rights abuse in the eyes of the world. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is not. But they are exceeding the death, destruction and terror inflicted by this organization 64 fold.

The UN Security Council on Sunday failed to force an end to Israeli attacks against Gazans because the United States vetoed the anti-Israeli resolution sought by the UNSC members.

These actions also violate and contradict the teachings of the prophet Moses, in the Old Testament.

and to … said,
I think most the people in North America, Europe etc support the Israeli action against the Palestinian’s, its our Media that has a skewed perception of whats going on, remember they don’t speak for the people of our country s, only the bias opinion of whichever journalist wrote the article.

the world keeps his eyes closed while the israeli kids are the only who can’t sleep at nights

http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/12/hypocrisy-in-action.html